Comments on: The Problem with Avatar http://www.bluemousemonkey.com/blog/2010/01/the-problem-with-avatar/ Just another WordPress weblog Thu, 12 Jan 2012 03:44:12 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3 By: Kris http://www.bluemousemonkey.com/blog/2010/01/the-problem-with-avatar/comment-page-1/#comment-1616 Kris Sun, 16 May 2010 15:19:51 +0000 http://www.bluemousemonkey.com/blog/?p=696#comment-1616 In general, I guess everyone has their own opinions of Avatar, but all of your complaints are kind of lame and you didn't need to waste so much space. The only complaint I have with the entire movie is that you can predict exactly how Jake's path will go every time something new is introduced, thus making the entire ending from him becoming Toruk Moktou and uniting the Na'Vi to his remaining in his Avitar body at the end. The second the general promised to get him his legs back, I thought, why bother, he's already got a new pair that he doesn't have to suffer through years of rehab and possible injury to get back into shape, it's called his Avatar, wonder if their connection with the planet can make that permanent. The second I saw the toruk, I thought, that thing is sweet, I hope he gets to ride one of those, and then it gets explained that very few ever rode it before, and when they did they had lead the people in times of struggle. The problem isn't that it's kind of a generic mono myth as you say, the problem is that it's predictable. It's like a fine musical composition comfortably arranged for the tastes of the masses of the time it was written in. The pretty effects are your embellishments, those things that perk your interest and make you sit there in awe at the beauty, and the predictable story in this case is those familiar characteristic sounds of the popular genre of the time, be it rock, jazz, or any other, but the masses have an expectation that the like to have met, it keeps them comfortable and happy, makes them smile just a little to feel like they might know something about what they're hearing. So for that reason right there, what James Camron managed to do is quite amazing, a movie in sonnata allegro form if you will. (Yeah, I think I've had a few too many music theory classes with whacked out professors, they may have worn off on me.) It was not the point of the movie to create a mind blowing story, that clearly was never the focus. The visual aspects where what all the money was dumped into, and I must say, bravo, Jupiter looks amazing in blue, and the fiber optic effects that just naturally occur on Pandora are a fine compliment. If they make a video game out of this one, I say James Camron should team up with Square-Enix for it, I think I remember one of the areas in Final Fantasy X looking quite a bit like those forests in Avatar. In general, I guess everyone has their own opinions of Avatar, but all of your complaints are kind of lame and you didn’t need to waste so much space. The only complaint I have with the entire movie is that you can predict exactly how Jake’s path will go every time something new is introduced, thus making the entire ending from him becoming Toruk Moktou and uniting the Na’Vi to his remaining in his Avitar body at the end. The second the general promised to get him his legs back, I thought, why bother, he’s already got a new pair that he doesn’t have to suffer through years of rehab and possible injury to get back into shape, it’s called his Avatar, wonder if their connection with the planet can make that permanent. The second I saw the toruk, I thought, that thing is sweet, I hope he gets to ride one of those, and then it gets explained that very few ever rode it before, and when they did they had lead the people in times of struggle. The problem isn’t that it’s kind of a generic mono myth as you say, the problem is that it’s predictable.

It’s like a fine musical composition comfortably arranged for the tastes of the masses of the time it was written in. The pretty effects are your embellishments, those things that perk your interest and make you sit there in awe at the beauty, and the predictable story in this case is those familiar characteristic sounds of the popular genre of the time, be it rock, jazz, or any other, but the masses have an expectation that the like to have met, it keeps them comfortable and happy, makes them smile just a little to feel like they might know something about what they’re hearing. So for that reason right there, what James Camron managed to do is quite amazing, a movie in sonnata allegro form if you will. (Yeah, I think I’ve had a few too many music theory classes with whacked out professors, they may have worn off on me.)

It was not the point of the movie to create a mind blowing story, that clearly was never the focus. The visual aspects where what all the money was dumped into, and I must say, bravo, Jupiter looks amazing in blue, and the fiber optic effects that just naturally occur on Pandora are a fine compliment. If they make a video game out of this one, I say James Camron should team up with Square-Enix for it, I think I remember one of the areas in Final Fantasy X looking quite a bit like those forests in Avatar.

]]> By: Brianne Tice http://www.bluemousemonkey.com/blog/2010/01/the-problem-with-avatar/comment-page-1/#comment-1250 Brianne Tice Mon, 12 Apr 2010 17:31:50 +0000 http://www.bluemousemonkey.com/blog/?p=696#comment-1250 ok. you had your fun ripping the movie apart, now im going to have some fun ripping you apart. be warned: you crossed an obsessive. 1) the na’vi culture does not believe in offensive violence. They had never encountered a threat like the humans ever before. they did not know how to react. the only threats they’ve every met is a palulukan, sturmbeest stampede, or maybe Toruk if he was pissed, or hungry, enough. They do not know how to react!! it is not a question of whether or not they had the will or the drive. if you know anything about Neytiri’s character, she had more fight in her than almost anyone in Omaticaya. She was willing to shoot down as many humans as possible, even after being told not to engage. their will to defend is great than what you give them credit for. 2) “playful trickery and cunning” are also Not part of their culture. they are honest, kind, and peaceful people. Their Na’Vi vocabulary DOES NOT INCLUDE A WORD FOR LIE!!!!! how can they accomplish something that is non - existant to their culture? you are asking that which is impossible. They are non - violent, and honest. It’s like asking them to grow a full five fingers. IT’S IMPOSSIBLE!!! 3) “Getting the girl” - How juvenile can you get?! the bond that grew between jake and neytiri (it would be respectful to use their NAMES) far transcended anything that existed with Tsu’tey. they shared a love that is based in a connection to soul, character, and struggle. The challenges Jake went thru to achieve an acceptance into a culture that is more closely knit than your underwear, were far exceeding anything known to modern day man, as well as to the humans of 2124 when this story was set! the Omaticaya do not have a word for “friend”. They are so close that everyone is “aytsmukan” or “aytsmuke”, brother or sister regardless for blood relations. Jake and Neytiri mated for life because of they love they shared. It has nothing to do with a stereotypical hero story. 4) Next thing and final thing i have to say…. GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT ABOUT THE MOVIE BEFORE YOU POST ANYTHING ABOUT IT! NEYTIRI DOES NOT DIE!!! She was the one with Jake when Eywa approved him to be part of the people. another thing: tshaylu with toruk (Toruk Moktou) had been achieved FIVE times before Jake, including Neytiri’s own great grandfather. and by the way, theyre called “ikran” or banshees. theyre not dragons. this isnt disney pixar ok. you had your fun ripping the movie apart, now im going to have some fun ripping you apart. be warned: you crossed an obsessive.

1) the na’vi culture does not believe in offensive violence. They had never encountered a threat like the humans ever before. they did not know how to react. the only threats they’ve every met is a palulukan, sturmbeest stampede, or maybe Toruk if he was pissed, or hungry, enough. They do not know how to react!! it is not a question of whether or not they had the will or the drive. if you know anything about Neytiri’s character, she had more fight in her than almost anyone in Omaticaya. She was willing to shoot down as many humans as possible, even after being told not to engage. their will to defend is great than what you give them credit for.

2) “playful trickery and cunning” are also Not part of their culture. they are honest, kind, and peaceful people. Their Na’Vi vocabulary DOES NOT INCLUDE A WORD FOR LIE!!!!! how can they accomplish something that is non – existant to their culture? you are asking that which is impossible. They are non – violent, and honest. It’s like asking them to grow a full five fingers. IT’S IMPOSSIBLE!!!

3) “Getting the girl” – How juvenile can you get?! the bond that grew between jake and neytiri (it would be respectful to use their NAMES) far transcended anything that existed with Tsu’tey. they shared a love that is based in a connection to soul, character, and struggle. The challenges Jake went thru to achieve an acceptance into a culture that is more closely knit than your underwear, were far exceeding anything known to modern day man, as well as to the humans of 2124 when this story was set! the Omaticaya do not have a word for “friend”. They are so close that everyone is “aytsmukan” or “aytsmuke”, brother or sister regardless for blood relations. Jake and Neytiri mated for life because of they love they shared. It has nothing to do with a stereotypical hero story.

4) Next thing and final thing i have to say…. GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT ABOUT THE MOVIE BEFORE YOU POST ANYTHING ABOUT IT! NEYTIRI DOES NOT DIE!!! She was the one with Jake when Eywa approved him to be part of the people. another thing: tshaylu with toruk (Toruk Moktou) had been achieved FIVE times before Jake, including Neytiri’s own great grandfather.

and by the way, theyre called “ikran” or banshees. theyre not dragons. this isnt disney pixar

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